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i spoke to the three works fine people in washington yesterday from all over the country. i said i will give any of your million bucks if you get some new what the republican message was in 2006. i kept my money. i give you a dollar if you continue with the republican message was in 2010. all about puuhing back against excessive interests of expansive expensive government over reached in the guise of tarp and stimulus and obamacare. here we are again. they know who they are. >> a party of social issues cannot make its of a party of economics. they are completely stuck in the middle, and obama holds the cards. if they take the wrong but they lose and if they take the right pose the lose. of their patriotic into what is right they lose. very difficult position to be in >> but you are admitting that this is about tactics. [talking over each other] >> i am not a brain surgeon. i am a political person. that's what i do. lou: i love it when you are modest. >> modesty becomes you. this is where i think republicans have an opportunity to lead. they need to be clear, concise, and s
i spoke to the three works fine people in washington yesterday from all over the country. i said i will give any of your million bucks if you get some new what the republican message was in 2006. i kept my money. i give you a dollar if you continue with the republican message was in 2010. all about puuhing back against excessive interests of expansive expensive government over reached in the guise of tarp and stimulus and obamacare. here we are again. they know who they are. >> a party of...
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call it the washington inquisitions. we are getting ripped apart. tomorrow the governor that disagrees and pat buchanan who fears even worse than i do. rip up. fair and balanced. gerri: tonight broken promises. the government has let small business owners feeling forgotten. one is here with her story. and your shopping questions answered. consumer reports' annual money in nuys list. welcome to "the willis report." ♪ gerri: hello, everybody. i'm gerri willis. a bold counter ofer to president obam on the fiscal clef. the new plan contains 800 billio in new taxes, half of what t president was looking for. more importantly, the gop plan keep tax rates the way they are now. we kw that is a deal mker for the tie-breaker for the presidents. joining me now, theman some democrats blame for the fiscal cliff impasse, grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform. and the many ands a finger to about fixing it, michael reagan, founder of the reagan group. i wantto start with the republicans plan that they put on the table. they have been accused of do
call it the washington inquisitions. we are getting ripped apart. tomorrow the governor that disagrees and pat buchanan who fears even worse than i do. rip up. fair and balanced. gerri: tonight broken promises. the government has let small business owners feeling forgotten. one is here with her story. and your shopping questions answered. consumer reports' annual money in nuys list. welcome to "the willis report." ♪ gerri: hello, everybody. i'm gerri willis. a bold counter ofer to...
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when was last time in washington 10-year spending projections actually came in at or below what the projections were meant to be? it never happens. same is true on the revenue side with taxes. i think the numbers we're laying out here are probably the quote, unquote best-case scenario in terms of what could actually happen. just in terms of the pure math. not in terms whether or not it is good policy, just in terms of pure math. one reason going over the cliff looks more attractive in terms of bottom line numbers because there is that huge tax number. now, there are all sorts of reasons beyond that --. melissa: why is that, to raise that much revenue and give it to the government? i don't understand why that is appealing? >> it is not appealing to me. melissa: okay. >> it would be ap peeling from a math perspective because the number is bigger. but the problem is, the number won't be that big no matter what happens. you can talk about dynamic scoring. look at different ways revenue won't be revenue it is projected to be. you're talking about something that would do tremendous damage to the dome
when was last time in washington 10-year spending projections actually came in at or below what the projections were meant to be? it never happens. same is true on the revenue side with taxes. i think the numbers we're laying out here are probably the quote, unquote best-case scenario in terms of what could actually happen. just in terms of the pure math. not in terms whether or not it is good policy, just in terms of pure math. one reason going over the cliff looks more attractive in terms of...
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we have crisis here in washington. we are spending currently a trillion dollars more than we are bringing in. this president under his first four years increase the size of our federal government spending by 25 percent, and now he's asking for more stimulus money. unfettered control. this really is a hostage situation, and this is not what the american people need. we have 25 million americans looking for jobs, searching for jobs. we don't need to add additional taxes. gerri: covers woman, look. the american public is going to blame your party, the republicans, some 53 percent say of the fiscal cliff happens, every fall over the edge republicans are to blame. how do you square that? is a year on the right side, trying to do things. yet the public certainly does not see your effort. >> i think one of the things that is so difficult for me is that the media cannot not talking about you in particular. the general media has fallen into this rabbit hole of only talking about this one issue. if we were to give the president
we have crisis here in washington. we are spending currently a trillion dollars more than we are bringing in. this president under his first four years increase the size of our federal government spending by 25 percent, and now he's asking for more stimulus money. unfettered control. this really is a hostage situation, and this is not what the american people need. we have 25 million americans looking for jobs, searching for jobs. we don't need to add additional taxes. gerri: covers woman,...
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there's a news conference along with washington lawmakers to push for the flat tax. he joins us later this hour. liz: first, what drove the marketings for today's data download. stocks ending lower, struggling for direction most of the day, unable to hold gains trading lower. i think it was 79 times. health care and industrials were today's top performing sectors and telecomo lagged. the euro extending the gains versus the dollar, rallying to a near seven week high against the green back after greece announced its debt buy back terms. euro rose to a $1131. that's high historically. action in the metals. silver, platinum, all sinking more than 1%. silver was today's biggest loser dropping nearly p 3% to settle at $32.81 an ounce. david: markets hopping, but the next trader says investor participation is shifting. in chicago, larry, the key question here is what happens when the market gets off its hind legs and moves? move up or down? >> it all depends on what happens with the fiscal cliff. right now, there's boehner yelled out by his own party, the conservative part
there's a news conference along with washington lawmakers to push for the flat tax. he joins us later this hour. liz: first, what drove the marketings for today's data download. stocks ending lower, struggling for direction most of the day, unable to hold gains trading lower. i think it was 79 times. health care and industrials were today's top performing sectors and telecomo lagged. the euro extending the gains versus the dollar, rallying to a near seven week high against the green back after...
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talks continuing in washington. we are just down about 12 points on the dow jones industrial average, 27 days until america goes over that fiscal cliff. the president just finished answering questions on the issue after meeting with governors at the white house and our political correspondent, john harwood is live at the white house and eamon javers is talking with key congressional players on those talks. john, first to you. >> reporter: the president talked to our colleagues at bloomberg and talked about the republican offer from speaker boehner on the fiscal cliff resolution. he said it was out of balance because the speaker has not agreed to rate increases but the president identified a two-step process by which he is hoping still to reach an agreement before the end of the year, if he can get republicans to give on the top rate. he said that first of all, we can't do a fundamental tax reform in the next two weeks. we simply have to have a down payment before the end of the year and then commit to tax and entitl
talks continuing in washington. we are just down about 12 points on the dow jones industrial average, 27 days until america goes over that fiscal cliff. the president just finished answering questions on the issue after meeting with governors at the white house and our political correspondent, john harwood is live at the white house and eamon javers is talking with key congressional players on those talks. john, first to you. >> reporter: the president talked to our colleagues at...
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washington insiders. because they think that they're going to be doing this down to the very last minute. >> i know you were dismayed saying that typically behind the scenes, at least, they're cutting some deals, and you felt that watching here and what you're talking about is exactly what's happening. >> people who are in on the discussion zoraida told me yesterday that what we're seeing play out is what's playing out. there's no back channel negotiation. there's no -- we're seeing it play out in real time and that's -- that's actually a little bit frightening. and because of this, there's something else that's happening i want to tell you about. oracle is the latest company that says it's going to pay out dividends to its shareholders early to avoid higher investment taxes next year. this means a pay day early for investors. mom and pop investors, too. you're going to get a dividend before the end of the year. dividends currently are taxed at 15%. in 2013 if we fall off the fiscal cliff, dividends will
washington insiders. because they think that they're going to be doing this down to the very last minute. >> i know you were dismayed saying that typically behind the scenes, at least, they're cutting some deals, and you felt that watching here and what you're talking about is exactly what's happening. >> people who are in on the discussion zoraida told me yesterday that what we're seeing play out is what's playing out. there's no back channel negotiation. there's no -- we're seeing...
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it will be redistributed to washington and burned at the same time. neil: they are takinghe money right now and running in case of oracle you can almost see how much is means to larry, if is gets to 40 plus% percent he will take that money and get it now cheaper. >> i think what is mised there is no real place where you can get decent income right now, you can't buy bonds, you get 1 or 2%, you can't put in in the bank, coming back to something businesses those who mak 300,000, i extended a conference, they put cars, and trucks on the road, education to be technology people, they 56 pick water leaks, if they have extra income they can get from star stock ma, they will buy another truck and fix more water leaks, if you don't need food or energy, you don't have to worry about water, but most people do need food and energy, you take water, you are depleting our source of water quite literally, and making it very difficu, there are people, that will directly be affected in the sense, people that bottom 20%, that have high school education that will not get
it will be redistributed to washington and burned at the same time. neil: they are takinghe money right now and running in case of oracle you can almost see how much is means to larry, if is gets to 40 plus% percent he will take that money and get it now cheaper. >> i think what is mised there is no real place where you can get decent income right now, you can't buy bonds, you get 1 or 2%, you can't put in in the bank, coming back to something businesses those who mak 300,000, i extended...
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saying all of the unmanned planes are accounted for university professor side mohammad marandi says that washington is responsible for heightening tensions the united states is that we hate being in a very hostile manner towards iran the very fact that drones are cards and they going open iranian airspace the americans are carrying out. psychological warfare against iran and they've shut down the iranian central bank and preventing iran from even importing medicine some people have died because of a shortage of medicine in iran because of the sanctions that the u.n. the united states have imposed on the country that hurt them more than anyone else because it shows how aggressive western countries are behaving this heightened tensions because this forces iran to behave more aggressively towards the united states and its allies because it sees such actions potential only reason why american drones could be in iranian airspace is for them to carry out surveillance operations against iranian targets. and we just learned that nato foreign ministers have approved the deployment of patriot missiles in tur
saying all of the unmanned planes are accounted for university professor side mohammad marandi says that washington is responsible for heightening tensions the united states is that we hate being in a very hostile manner towards iran the very fact that drones are cards and they going open iranian airspace the americans are carrying out. psychological warfare against iran and they've shut down the iranian central bank and preventing iran from even importing medicine some people have died because...
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now they got to deal with this morass in washington. while i'm optimistic if congress and the president cancel their vacations, remember, no vacation without legislation and stay to avert the cliff. i'm worried that they're sworn to not compromise. i'm worried that rising above is anathema to democrats and repugnant to the republicans as the phrase, grover, hide your ears, higher taxes. here's the bottom line. a new school which says the cliff jump won't be that bad has now entered the fray. i'm still hoping we don't go over the cliff. but i can't be sanguine if we do. i think it means that the stock market will get hammered even as it might bounce back if the austerity is lifted by a dreaded, hated compromise that both sides seem to despise. i have a list of ten stocks that would be the bounce-backers. you got to stay tuned for those. but it would be a bounce-back. let's go to isaac in pennsylvania. isaac? >> caller: jim, how are you today? >> i'm okay. how about you? >> caller: just fine. i have a question regarding dean foods. >> sur
now they got to deal with this morass in washington. while i'm optimistic if congress and the president cancel their vacations, remember, no vacation without legislation and stay to avert the cliff. i'm worried that they're sworn to not compromise. i'm worried that rising above is anathema to democrats and repugnant to the republicans as the phrase, grover, hide your ears, higher taxes. here's the bottom line. a new school which says the cliff jump won't be that bad has now entered the fray....
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i'm not sure that washington is at such a gridlock they're not willing to even really look at where is the excess, where do we cut? it can't be across the board. >> greta: i take it from that you're opposed to just letting us go off the fiscal cliff because that takes cuts straight across the board. >> it does. it makes those cuts across the board. new mexico will actually feel enormous impact. unfortunately, new mexico depends significantly on federal dollars. we have four military bases here in new mexico. we have two national labs that are very important to our national defense, and so we could possibly lose 20,000 jobs. >> greta: health care exchanges. you're setting them up. some republican governors are not. why did you decide to set them up? >> well, we're moving in that direction but we're still negotiating with the federal government, and we're negotiating for flexibility. we're negotiating for what is best for new mexicans instead of the one size fits all that's coming from washington, dc. where can we be flexible that best serves newmexicans. we've asked many questions of th
i'm not sure that washington is at such a gridlock they're not willing to even really look at where is the excess, where do we cut? it can't be across the board. >> greta: i take it from that you're opposed to just letting us go off the fiscal cliff because that takes cuts straight across the board. >> it does. it makes those cuts across the board. new mexico will actually feel enormous impact. unfortunately, new mexico depends significantly on federal dollars. we have four military...
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with the way politics in washington are today, there would still be slavery. lincoln wouldn't have been able to navigate the polarization between the media. it was an interesting and depressing observation from this very smart white house aide. >> sean: sadly, neither the language from the white house or the celebratory manner that it was being reported from those that revel in this comment come at all as a surprise. here is the reaction from mike myers and i took him to say republic, but the sentiment is the same, and that is it's a divided nation. you know with these republicans, what's your reaction? >> the rhetoric never seeses to astonish me. it used to be in the old days which wasn't too long ago you had rhetoric, no justice, no peace coming from the streets. now you get this racial rhetoric coming from the pun bits on nbc. back to bob costas, he was quoting a newspaper comyu newspt who compared the nra to the new kkk. so much racial rhetoric, it has to be condemned. where are the voices. >> this is the same as susan rice. it's a war on women, and it's t
with the way politics in washington are today, there would still be slavery. lincoln wouldn't have been able to navigate the polarization between the media. it was an interesting and depressing observation from this very smart white house aide. >> sean: sadly, neither the language from the white house or the celebratory manner that it was being reported from those that revel in this comment come at all as a surprise. here is the reaction from mike myers and i took him to say republic, but...
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. >> 17-16 washington redskins. >> all that -- >> why don't you shut up? >> you are an embarrassment. >> please shut up. just shut up. >> you shut up. >> that got annoying at the end. >>> and all that matters. >> let the speculation begin. will and katherine are expecting a baby. but what happens if they have twins? >> the top baby names of 2012 were just announced and sophia is the top name for girls and aiden is the top name for boys. >> sochlt pphia and aiden. least popular, kim jong and sandusky. captioning funded by cbs republicans seem to be at a standstill. >> on monday gop leaders made their counter offer to president obama and officials quickly dismissed it. major garrett is at the white house this morning. good morning. >> reporter: good morning, charlie and norah. there's no prospect for a deal and not much talking going on either. for the first time there are numbers on the pieces of paper from the white house and the congressional republicans. there are disagreements from both sides of how serious those numbers are. for the first time there ar
. >> 17-16 washington redskins. >> all that -- >> why don't you shut up? >> you are an embarrassment. >> please shut up. just shut up. >> you shut up. >> that got annoying at the end. >>> and all that matters. >> let the speculation begin. will and katherine are expecting a baby. but what happens if they have twins? >> the top baby names of 2012 were just announced and sophia is the top name for girls and aiden is the top name for...
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a short while ago, president obama issued this warning from washington. today, i want to make it absolutely clear to assad andd those -- and those under his command, the world is watching. the use of chemical weapons is an would be totally -- is and would be totally acceptable. if you make them tragic mistake of using these weapons, there will be consequences and you will be held accountable. >> i discussed his strong words to syria's leaders with the bbc 's state department correspondent. while u.s. officials talking about serious chemical weapons -- wh yare -- why are u.s. officials talking about syria's chemical weapons now? >> officials have been quoted as saying they have seen activity, that these weapons are being moved around, possibly in preparation for their use. it is very difficult to read the assad government and find out exactly what they are doing. are they trying to protect them? are they trying to bluff? we have heard from certain officials saying they have no intention of using chemical weapons against their own people. of course, that le
a short while ago, president obama issued this warning from washington. today, i want to make it absolutely clear to assad andd those -- and those under his command, the world is watching. the use of chemical weapons is an would be totally -- is and would be totally acceptable. if you make them tragic mistake of using these weapons, there will be consequences and you will be held accountable. >> i discussed his strong words to syria's leaders with the bbc 's state department...
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it's tuesday december fourth five pm here in washington d.c. i'm liz wall and you're watching r.t. . and if you've been living under a rock there's been some news coming out of the u.k. prince william and kate are expecting their first child which is set media spectacle and the story is huge and you're out the but here in the u.s. the mainstream media has ramped up its coverage take a look. ever since the royal couple got married britain has been waiting for its royal baby now that baby is on the way to me happy wait for this story with bated breath it's acute morning sickness so it's treated with a rehydration the. supplements and trying to get it back to check they were planning to announce this at this point but she is not yet twelve weeks pregnant i haven't even told prince charles or the queen about this until today. i'm sure every woman is enjoying c.n.n.'s coverage i'm listening to a male reporter talk about morning sickness. well health care covering the story that has little impact here in the u.s. are to you will cover what's really i
it's tuesday december fourth five pm here in washington d.c. i'm liz wall and you're watching r.t. . and if you've been living under a rock there's been some news coming out of the u.k. prince william and kate are expecting their first child which is set media spectacle and the story is huge and you're out the but here in the u.s. the mainstream media has ramped up its coverage take a look. ever since the royal couple got married britain has been waiting for its royal baby now that baby is on...
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in washington today, the republicans responded to the white house budget plan with a proposal of their own. it would raise the eligibility age for medicare and people on social security would get smaller cost of living increases. unless there's a compromise by the end of this month, taxes will go up automatically for nearly every american. there is a lot at stake. so we asked wyatt andrews to make sense of how these budget plans compare. wyatt? >> reporter: scott, this republican counterproposal today is long on reducing the deficit and saving big on medicare, but it leaves the two sides still hundreds of billions of dollars apart and they are not close on the basic approach to solve the fiscal cliff. in a letter to the president, house republicans called their offer a fair middle ground. it's a ten-year framework that cuts the deficit by $2.2 trillion. it includes $600 billion in health care cuts-- mostly medicare and medicaid-- $300 billion in other mandatory spending and $300 billion in cuts to all other federal spending. by contrast, the president has proposed around $600 billion i
in washington today, the republicans responded to the white house budget plan with a proposal of their own. it would raise the eligibility age for medicare and people on social security would get smaller cost of living increases. unless there's a compromise by the end of this month, taxes will go up automatically for nearly every american. there is a lot at stake. so we asked wyatt andrews to make sense of how these budget plans compare. wyatt? >> reporter: scott, this republican...
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they are talking about it in washington. today congressional republicans put forward alternative to the president plan. but tonight we are no closer to a deal. political reporter mark matthews explains what that means. >> san francisco cafe owner has been watching the cliff creep closer an hoping for rest logs. >> because if they don't it's going to be really tough. >>reporter: he's talking about employees. see the income taxes increase by a couple of thousands dollars. >> cost of living is really high and tough to make it especially in the city like san francisco. >>reporter: if congress and president can't reach an agreement income taxes will go up on nearly all americans. average family will be paying an extra 2000 to 2400 dollars a year. automatic spending cuts mean cuts to education. transportation. research and development. there's proposal to up airline fee that is could raise 1 billion dollars cutting back on those who 7 fad stamps could bring in another 4 to 16 billion over 10 years. eliminating saturday delivery of
they are talking about it in washington. today congressional republicans put forward alternative to the president plan. but tonight we are no closer to a deal. political reporter mark matthews explains what that means. >> san francisco cafe owner has been watching the cliff creep closer an hoping for rest logs. >> because if they don't it's going to be really tough. >>reporter: he's talking about employees. see the income taxes increase by a couple of thousands dollars....
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. ♪ ♪ >> brian: new york giants play the washington red skin and they ended up lose will. i don't want to talk about. giants are 7-5 and redskins 6-6. he was faulted for keeping quiet about the fast and furious. gary grinnler chief-of-staff for eric holder is stepping down, last day tomorrow. steve, something to do with nothing i talked about. >> steve: has to do with the law. they risked their lives to protect our country. >> gretchen: u.s. veterans deemed too mentally incompetent to handle the finances are entered into a national criminal background system. that prevents them from buying or owning a gun. >> steve: should the second amendment right of those veterans be taken away. we'll have to judge andrew napolitano. >> i am upset about the gines. i will do my best. >> steve: in the defense bill, there is a sticky issue of whether or not veterans should be allowed to bear gun. >> the right to bear guns it is a natural right. if you are armed you have a right to defend yourself and your family and country. that is a right and not a gift from the government. you don't nee
. ♪ ♪ >> brian: new york giants play the washington red skin and they ended up lose will. i don't want to talk about. giants are 7-5 and redskins 6-6. he was faulted for keeping quiet about the fast and furious. gary grinnler chief-of-staff for eric holder is stepping down, last day tomorrow. steve, something to do with nothing i talked about. >> steve: has to do with the law. they risked their lives to protect our country. >> gretchen: u.s. veterans deemed too mentally...
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but washington, both side have dug in their heels, and the answer may be that suddenly the sliding down the fiscal slope does not seem that bad. maybe that's why the republicans leaders like speaker of the house john boehner were able to put off making a counter proposal to the president's offer until today. crossing the red line on the talks by rejecting the demind that the republicans accept a hike in the marginal tax rate for those with income over a quarter million dollars a year. my view? obviously i agree with the white house on the substance and as i have said before, their hand gets stronger over time. but sometimes a new idea can change the dynamic. here is an idea that has been around for a long time, supported by james tobin way back and pushed by ralph nadar in a "washington post" op-ed this weekend. impose a tax on financial transactions. it will give us up to $100 billion a year, fail on a sector that has generateed enormous unwarranted profits for very few but benefited from huge bailouts the regulatory help but by and large escaped responsibility for their role in the fi
but washington, both side have dug in their heels, and the answer may be that suddenly the sliding down the fiscal slope does not seem that bad. maybe that's why the republicans leaders like speaker of the house john boehner were able to put off making a counter proposal to the president's offer until today. crossing the red line on the talks by rejecting the demind that the republicans accept a hike in the marginal tax rate for those with income over a quarter million dollars a year. my view?...
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it's monday december third eight pm in washington d.c. i'm christine and you're watching our t.v. starting off this hour with the latest news out of syria there are reports that syrian president bashar al assad might be preparing to use chemical weapons in his war torn country but the united states and its western allies have warned the syrian government that assad will be quote held accountable if his forces use these weapons against the rebels rebels fighting his government this is also the story being told to the american people that syria's stockpile of chemical weapons is dangerous and could be deadly sound familiar well maybe it's because you've heard similar talk only a decade ago in the lead up to the war with iraq. danger to our country is grave. the danger to our country is growing. the iraqi regime possesses biological and chemical weapons weapons of mass destruction weapons of mass destruction weapons of mass destruction we don't know where they are but the point is there was every reason to believe that they were there at the time we're going to find out massive evide
it's monday december third eight pm in washington d.c. i'm christine and you're watching our t.v. starting off this hour with the latest news out of syria there are reports that syrian president bashar al assad might be preparing to use chemical weapons in his war torn country but the united states and its western allies have warned the syrian government that assad will be quote held accountable if his forces use these weapons against the rebels rebels fighting his government this is also the...
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will bring you inside on the global financial headlines from washington. the stunning beauty of reindeer gracefully dancing across the arctic tundra more than just a scenic image it is a way of life traditionally the people are nomadic reindeer herders and go in many ways they lead a simple and rustic life they are also highly skilled and organized. another weekend. google moving around. respond to summer depending on. the day we found this particularly camp they were settled near the coast of the ta to see here for families work together to manage nearly a thousand reindeer herding reindeer is not just a job for the people in fact it's a part of their entire culture and way of life and that they can use almost every single part of the reindeer to help them survive. a deer is a means of transportation. equipment and clothes for the outside and. the life in the tundra is harsh and so before winter hits many of the children are helicoptered to the center of the district and not even for boarding school. students learn different languages utilize modern techn
will bring you inside on the global financial headlines from washington. the stunning beauty of reindeer gracefully dancing across the arctic tundra more than just a scenic image it is a way of life traditionally the people are nomadic reindeer herders and go in many ways they lead a simple and rustic life they are also highly skilled and organized. another weekend. google moving around. respond to summer depending on. the day we found this particularly camp they were settled near the coast of...
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call it the washington inquisitions. we are getting ripped apart. tomorrow the governor that disagrees and pat buchanan david: money with melissa francis is next. >> i'm melissa francis and here's what's "money" tonight. republicans laid their cards on the table unveiling their fiscal cliff counteroffer to president obama. does it actually have a chance though? will the president and congressional democrats just blow it right out of the sky? we'll break it all down. >>> plus the mississippi river in crisis. water levels dropped to historic lows threatening to bring commercial traffic to a halt and spike food prices. have you even heard about this? the head of one mississippi barge operator joins us whether a disaster can still be avoided. >>> would you sublet your name for an entire year? a bidding war breaks t for e right to one man's name. he is here to explain his bold idea and how he is cashing in. even when they say it's not it is always about money melissa: first let egg look at the day's market headlines. concern over the fiscal cliff bleedin
call it the washington inquisitions. we are getting ripped apart. tomorrow the governor that disagrees and pat buchanan david: money with melissa francis is next. >> i'm melissa francis and here's what's "money" tonight. republicans laid their cards on the table unveiling their fiscal cliff counteroffer to president obama. does it actually have a chance though? will the president and congressional democrats just blow it right out of the sky? we'll break it all down. >>>...
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washington, dc, 71. chicago, 70. but the temperatures are going to drop. this time tomorrow, 40 in chicago and the cold air will visit us in the northeast, as well. >>shepard: well, it is december. santa cannot get here if it is cold he will end up in florida. >> scam artists are stealing hundreds of thousands of identities to get their hands on billions of our tax money and we are learning more about the warning with nfl player belcher and what he said before he pulled the trigger. stay tuned. ♪ [ male announcer ] are you on medicare? do you have the coverage you need? open enrollment ends friday, december 7th. so don't wait. now's the time to get on a path that could be right for you... with unitedhealthcare medicare solutions. call today to learn about the kinds of coverage we offer, including aarp medicarecomplete plans insured through unitedhealthcare. these medicare advantage plans can combine parts a and b, your hospital and doctor coverage... with part d prescription drug coverage, and extra benefits... all in one complete plan... for a $0 monthl
washington, dc, 71. chicago, 70. but the temperatures are going to drop. this time tomorrow, 40 in chicago and the cold air will visit us in the northeast, as well. >>shepard: well, it is december. santa cannot get here if it is cold he will end up in florida. >> scam artists are stealing hundreds of thousands of identities to get their hands on billions of our tax money and we are learning more about the warning with nfl player belcher and what he said before he pulled the trigger....
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joining us from washington mary catherine ham and juan williams from washington. where am i going wrong, juan. >> you said people feel more secure if they are able to own a gun. i have got to say first off the bat, bill. i think you are exactly right about everybody's right to have a gun the supreme court has reaffirmed it. i differ about my understanding what the founding fathers wrote. i think they were writing about a militia. the court sides with bill o'reilly or bill o'reilly sides with the court. we have some guns in this country right now and when you talk about someone feeling more secure, according to the center for disease control, you know, you're 50% more likely to shoot yourself than shoot any other criminal, more likely to shoot a spouse or a child than to shoot anybody who intends to do you harm. that's why i think -- >> bill: that's an individual decision and you can say look, you are 50% more likely to have a house fire if you have an oven rather than if you didn't have one. that doesn't really make any sense. what makes sense though is mary katha
joining us from washington mary catherine ham and juan williams from washington. where am i going wrong, juan. >> you said people feel more secure if they are able to own a gun. i have got to say first off the bat, bill. i think you are exactly right about everybody's right to have a gun the supreme court has reaffirmed it. i differ about my understanding what the founding fathers wrote. i think they were writing about a militia. the court sides with bill o'reilly or bill o'reilly sides...
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shopaholics drop an average of $263 a month in washington, d.c. that's more than anywhere else in the country. >>> andrew zimmer, the host of bizarre foods on the travel channel is blasting yelp.com. he says reviews of restaurants and other businesses should be left to the pros. he claims too many people abuse the site and try to blackmail the merchants they're commenting on. >>> trial began monday in italy for superstar fashion designers. they're charged with tax evasion. they deny any wrongdoing. >>> finally, it may be the only time you smile about a story on the fiscal cliff. you need to check out this youtube video of a little boy glued to the animation used by our friends at cnbc. [ laughing ] >> that's the great thing about kids. you can leave him there for 15 minutes. he'd be all set. >>> one of the coolest down hill skating races you'll see this year. plus, bofrming legend mohammed ali receives the biggest award in boxing history. that's next. [ male announcer ] this december, remember -- ♪ you can stay in and like something... ♪ [ car
shopaholics drop an average of $263 a month in washington, d.c. that's more than anywhere else in the country. >>> andrew zimmer, the host of bizarre foods on the travel channel is blasting yelp.com. he says reviews of restaurants and other businesses should be left to the pros. he claims too many people abuse the site and try to blackmail the merchants they're commenting on. >>> trial began monday in italy for superstar fashion designers. they're charged with tax evasion....
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fiscal crisis, the texas woman taking on washington and saying, if congress can't solve it, cut off their paychecks until they do. >>> and eyes wide shut. you will see our reporter behind the wheel, his eyes open, his brain asleep. an abc news experiment on drowsy drivers out cold, and they don't even know it. >>> good evening. we begin with that announcement out of england today that rocketed around the world. the future queen, kate middleton, expecting her first child, but she was rushed to the hospital, prince william by her side. abc's lama hasan is here. we talked with sources inside the palace, and she has the latest on what happened. lama. >> reporter: good evening, diane. well, the couple had been so tightly lipped about the pregnancy that some here at the palace the queen, prince charles and other members of the royal family reportedly only found out about it today. but when kate was hospitalized, the palace decided it was time to break the news to the world. the last time the world saw kate middleton was on friday, a picture of health playing field hockey. now we learn the duche
fiscal crisis, the texas woman taking on washington and saying, if congress can't solve it, cut off their paychecks until they do. >>> and eyes wide shut. you will see our reporter behind the wheel, his eyes open, his brain asleep. an abc news experiment on drowsy drivers out cold, and they don't even know it. >>> good evening. we begin with that announcement out of england today that rocketed around the world. the future queen, kate middleton, expecting her first child, but...
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, economic report from washington. the dow jones industrial average up 17 points right now. we wait for that all important jobs report. the fiscal cliff as we await for the bipartisan agreement of some sort, right? so these are the things that are really on the table on wall street on december which is traditionally a good month here on wall street. as i took a look at the up volume versus the down volume they are virtually the same, just a moment ago it changed but 165 million to the upside, 149 lower. so about half the names on the dow are winners. let's take a look at earnings losers. when you look at darden, you talk about olive garden and red lobster, they saw sales pulling back despite promotions. they will have to change the way they do things, saying the quarter was disappointing. pep boys noting the same thing. they're not seeing great sales and numbers. as a result we're seeing both of these names down arrows and down double-digit in percentage terms. ashley, tracy, back to you. tracy: nicole petallides, i ha
, economic report from washington. the dow jones industrial average up 17 points right now. we wait for that all important jobs report. the fiscal cliff as we await for the bipartisan agreement of some sort, right? so these are the things that are really on the table on wall street on december which is traditionally a good month here on wall street. as i took a look at the up volume versus the down volume they are virtually the same, just a moment ago it changed but 165 million to the upside,...
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when people were asked in our cnn/orc poll about what they thought washington officials would behave like in these fiscal cliff discussions, 28% said responsible adults. 67% said spoiled children. spoiled children. low ethical standards. if ever there was a time for elected officials to step up and prove they don't deserve that reputation, well, it would be now. house republicans today did offer a counter proposal on the fiscal cliff. their plan, $2.2 trillion deficit savings over the next decade, but it does not include higher tax rates for the wealthy. the house speaker john boehner calls it a credible plan that deserves serious consideration by the white house. guess what? the white house released a statement tonight saying the plan is nothing new, that it lowers rates for the wealthy and sticks the middle class with the bill. so to borrow a phrase, we're nowhere. period. david walker is president and ceo of comeback america initiative. he's made it his mission to promote fiscal responsibility. he joins us along with cnn political analyst, david gergen. david walker, let me start
when people were asked in our cnn/orc poll about what they thought washington officials would behave like in these fiscal cliff discussions, 28% said responsible adults. 67% said spoiled children. spoiled children. low ethical standards. if ever there was a time for elected officials to step up and prove they don't deserve that reputation, well, it would be now. house republicans today did offer a counter proposal on the fiscal cliff. their plan, $2.2 trillion deficit savings over the next...
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so how do we move beyond this stalemate in washington? we heard from the president, just a short time ago. our chief white house correspondent jessica yellin joins me now, jessica, the president spoke out, sat down in an interview with bloomberg tv, and in listening to the interview, did you hear any clues toward a possible compromise here? >> reporter: not new clues, brooke. the president laid down the marker that we heard from the white house consistently, which is they aren't moving until they hear the republicans agree to raise tax rates on the wealthiest. listen to what the president had to say. >> i think that, you know, we have the potential of getting a deal done, but it is going to require what i talked about during the campaign, which is a balanced responsible approach to deficit reduction that can help give businesses certainty and make sure the country grows. and unfortunately the speaker's proposal right now is still out of balance. he talks, for example, about $800 billion worth of revenues, but he says he's going to do that
so how do we move beyond this stalemate in washington? we heard from the president, just a short time ago. our chief white house correspondent jessica yellin joins me now, jessica, the president spoke out, sat down in an interview with bloomberg tv, and in listening to the interview, did you hear any clues toward a possible compromise here? >> reporter: not new clues, brooke. the president laid down the marker that we heard from the white house consistently, which is they aren't moving...
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when we come back here in washington, time is running out for lawmakers to strike a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff. negotiations appear to be turning much more into a game of political brinksmanship. both parties pointing the finger at the other. we're keeping them honest next. ? [ male announcer ] this is amy. amy likes to invest in the market. she also likes to ride her bike. she knows the potential for making or losing money can pop up anytime. that's why she trades with the leader in mobile trading. so she's always ready to take action, no matter how wily... or weird... or wonderfully the market's behaving... which isn't rocket science. it's just common sense. from td ameritrade. we're keeping them honest. looking for facts, not offering our opinions or playing favorites. we're not supporting democrats or republicans. you can go to other cable channels for that. our goal is reporting, finding the truth and calling out hypocrisy. tonight the people you elected to go to washington and get things done can't seem to make any progress at all on the looming fiscal cliff. instead, what w
when we come back here in washington, time is running out for lawmakers to strike a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff. negotiations appear to be turning much more into a game of political brinksmanship. both parties pointing the finger at the other. we're keeping them honest next. ? [ male announcer ] this is amy. amy likes to invest in the market. she also likes to ride her bike. she knows the potential for making or losing money can pop up anytime. that's why she trades with the leader in mobile...
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bus bridges are in place from beach and hyde to washington and powell. plan for that if you take the powell-hyde line. capitol corridor train number 520 out of oakland up to 20 minutes late this morning. so getting busy. elsewhere as you work your way through the altamont pass one of our hot spots no accidents but it's slow as you work your way westbound. altamont pass towards livermore, and towards 680. eastbound some slight delays as you work your way through livermore, as well. 26 minutes now from the altamont pass to 680. looks like antioch loaded up, as well. one of our hot spots westbound 4 slow and go through antioch gets better once you hit the eastshore freeway. a closure on one-way traffic control happening at devil's slide today. we have some video of the area. one-way traffic will be in effect between linda mar and the northport tal bridge area of devil's slide. parts of highway one will be closed to prepare for the next storm. that's 9 a.m. to 3 p.m. >>> folks around the bay area today we have some more rain coming in our direction a lot of
bus bridges are in place from beach and hyde to washington and powell. plan for that if you take the powell-hyde line. capitol corridor train number 520 out of oakland up to 20 minutes late this morning. so getting busy. elsewhere as you work your way through the altamont pass one of our hot spots no accidents but it's slow as you work your way westbound. altamont pass towards livermore, and towards 680. eastbound some slight delays as you work your way through livermore, as well. 26 minutes...
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. >> if they got to agreement the way washington is too quickly, their own side would just kill 'em because they wouldn't think they had negotiated hard enough. you know, they've got to go through this exchange. this is no different than when, you know, you list your house, you know, you put up one price, somebody comes in with a lower price, you kind of reach a middle ground. the thing i'm sure of is that we got to end up with at least $4 trillion of deficit reduction. some of that's got to come from revenues. i guarantee you the white house isn't going to do a deal unless it has an increase in tax rates for part of that revenue. i'm assuming that the republicans are going to insist that there be more cuts on the health care entitlements than what's been put on the table to date. >> ifill: here's the difference between what we're seeing now and what happens when i put my house on the market. at the end of this year there will be consequences. it's unclear... in the past when these consequences or these deadlines have arisen they've just put them off. that's how we got to where we are today
. >> if they got to agreement the way washington is too quickly, their own side would just kill 'em because they wouldn't think they had negotiated hard enough. you know, they've got to go through this exchange. this is no different than when, you know, you list your house, you know, you put up one price, somebody comes in with a lower price, you kind of reach a middle ground. the thing i'm sure of is that we got to end up with at least $4 trillion of deficit reduction. some of that's got...
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i'm amount li-- andrea mitchell live in washington. the senate has managed to vote on something, rejected a u.n. treaty to extend rights to the blind and disabled, rights that have been the law of the land here in the united states since 1990. despite an emotional appearance from bob dole just out of walter reed, 89 years old, a passionate advocate for equal rights for the disabled since his first speech on the senate floor in 1969. joining me for our daily fix, kra, managing editor of post politics.com and capitol hill correspondents, nbc's kelly o'donnell and luke russert. kelly, to you, because this vote in the senate, john kerry led the way, it was bipartisan, in support. they needed 6 votes. it's a treaty, two-thirds of the senate and it failed. talk to me about all the ramifications here. >> it's not that often andrea, you know this, when votes on the senate floor can draw such powerful emotions and even tears from members of the gallery who attend in the public seats that are not in camera view. but we had that today. there was
i'm amount li-- andrea mitchell live in washington. the senate has managed to vote on something, rejected a u.n. treaty to extend rights to the blind and disabled, rights that have been the law of the land here in the united states since 1990. despite an emotional appearance from bob dole just out of walter reed, 89 years old, a passionate advocate for equal rights for the disabled since his first speech on the senate floor in 1969. joining me for our daily fix, kra, managing editor of post...
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on the newshour tonight, we get perspective on the partisan tug- of-war in washington, from one half of the team that produced the deficit-cutting plan republicans say is their inspiration, democrat erskine bowles. >> there are over $7 trillion worth of economic events that are going to hit america in the gut. i think impact would be really strong. if anybody thinks this is going to be a slope better wake up. >> ifill: the link between brain injury and sports, new evidence ties repeated blows to the head to long-term damage. we take a look. >> brown: ray suarez looks at the firestorm over israel's announcement it will expand settlements in the west bank. >> ifill: elizabeth brackett looks at how one chicago school is dealing with the transition to new state-wide standards. >> i really did find that the kids do understand more, and they learn more. they're more interested in what they're learning. >> brown: plus, as global carbon dioxide levels hit record highs, we analyze the increasing difficulty of combating climate change, with carol davenport of the "national journal." >> ifill:
on the newshour tonight, we get perspective on the partisan tug- of-war in washington, from one half of the team that produced the deficit-cutting plan republicans say is their inspiration, democrat erskine bowles. >> there are over $7 trillion worth of economic events that are going to hit america in the gut. i think impact would be really strong. if anybody thinks this is going to be a slope better wake up. >> ifill: the link between brain injury and sports, new evidence ties...
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but this is washington. i guess it's not air box, it's a beltway here. and we are in this debt mania. there is a long term crisis on debt. i think david would agree with that. if you actually go back and read what my old boss and his partner wrote almost two years ago now, they said these things, these cuts in tax increases should be back loaded so we don't damage the economy. in the president's proposal, he does have a small infrastructure bank program to try to jump-start some growth, so i think it's a good idea. raising tax rates on the rich. i saw your interview with senator coburn. he is committed to debt reduction. he has really put in the time here and i admired his work on this. but even a guy like senator coburn who was on the commission and supported its report can't state the obvious. we need to go back to the clinton era rates for the most well off americans. it's not going to kill us. the line between freedom and tyranny is not the 35 we pay now and the 39 that the rich will pay as we did when america was a communist paradise. it's just sill
but this is washington. i guess it's not air box, it's a beltway here. and we are in this debt mania. there is a long term crisis on debt. i think david would agree with that. if you actually go back and read what my old boss and his partner wrote almost two years ago now, they said these things, these cuts in tax increases should be back loaded so we don't damage the economy. in the president's proposal, he does have a small infrastructure bank program to try to jump-start some growth, so i...
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when we come back here in washington, time is running out for lawmakers to strike a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff. negotiations appear to be turning much more into a game of political brinksmanship. both parties pointing the finger at the other. we're keeping them honest next. what starts with adding a friend... ♪ ♪ ...could end with adding a close friend. ♪ the lexus december to remember sales event is on, offering some of our best values of the year. this is the pursuit of perfection. is efficiently absorbed in small continuous amounts. citracal slow release continuously releases calcium plus d with efficient absorption in one daily dose. citracal slow release. how they'll live tomorrow. for more than 116 years, ameriprise financial has worked for their clients' futures. helping millions of americans retire on their terms. when they want. where they want. doing what they want. ameriprise. the strength of a leader in retirement planning. the heart of 10,000 advisors working with you one-to-one. together for your future. ♪ have led to an increase intands toclinical depression
when we come back here in washington, time is running out for lawmakers to strike a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff. negotiations appear to be turning much more into a game of political brinksmanship. both parties pointing the finger at the other. we're keeping them honest next. what starts with adding a friend... ♪ ♪ ...could end with adding a close friend. ♪ the lexus december to remember sales event is on, offering some of our best values of the year. this is the pursuit of perfection....
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all the republican's office would confirm is her visit to washington, d.c. or at least the area monday to see a wounded arizona soldier. she's do you back on saturday. we know brewer is considering her next political move. politico reports she met with billionaire republican fund-raiser sheldon adelson. the speaker strips four house republicans from their committee s seats for not being, quote, team players. what does that mean. the first read team digs into it. we have mark murray up for you. a bipartisan group of govers say the sooner it's resolved the better off the states will be. the two governors will join me, one a republican. there's a new report president obama is considering. vogue editor anna winteror to be the next u.s. ambassador to the uk or france. do you believe that report? it's our gut check. be sure to check out our "news nation" tumblr page. you'll see behind the scene pictures and we got this picture of wynton march sal less yesterday in the house. [ female announcer ] a classic meatloaf recipe from stouffer's starts with ground beef, un
all the republican's office would confirm is her visit to washington, d.c. or at least the area monday to see a wounded arizona soldier. she's do you back on saturday. we know brewer is considering her next political move. politico reports she met with billionaire republican fund-raiser sheldon adelson. the speaker strips four house republicans from their committee s seats for not being, quote, team players. what does that mean. the first read team digs into it. we have mark murray up for you....
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you can sort of knefeel it with what's happening in washington. plus how many people are selling stocks just because they'll take their gains this year. because taxes will be higher next year. >> you're seeing people with if you have a large position in a company, this is probably the right time to take it. if it's a large percentage, 10%, 15%, 20% of your net worth, sell it now. >> and if you're planning to retire in the next three to five years, you're probably better off doing your allocation change thousand than you are saying -- >> this might be awful next year, too. isn't moynihan going to -- if we go over the cliff, it's not going to be a great year for stocks. >> it won't be a great year for hiring. >> left's already started. everybody is hiring temporary workers. they're not buying. they're leasing. you have more up front costs because you're trying to defer any long tirm purchase. but that's been happening now for two months. so you can look at the other way and say if we actually get a resolution, you might have more certainty which we'
you can sort of knefeel it with what's happening in washington. plus how many people are selling stocks just because they'll take their gains this year. because taxes will be higher next year. >> you're seeing people with if you have a large position in a company, this is probably the right time to take it. if it's a large percentage, 10%, 15%, 20% of your net worth, sell it now. >> and if you're planning to retire in the next three to five years, you're probably better off doing...
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here's what fred hyatte wrote in the washington post. overwhelmingly the deduction benefits the wealthy and the rest of the country has to make up the gap. of course it helps the wealthy, but it does a lot more good for the charities and the people they benefit, doesn't it? how much would worthy charities be hurt if the deduction was limittd? we will ask the head of the charity navigator on this program today. that's at 10:33. the charitable deduction discussed here. did you ever text something that you wish you could delete forever? yes, i have. new at 10:00, for you right now, local police want a law requiring text messages to be saved for two years. all rise, the judge is here. by the way, look at page 278 of this book, theodore and woodrow, how two american presidents destroyed constitutional freedom which is -- okay, okay. >> is that the only page worth reading, page 278? stuart: as a matter of fact is. [laughter] >> you're a literary critic now. stuart: this is a privacy issue, isn't it? >> sure, it is a privacy issue. it is pretty
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eamon javers joins us now from washington with all the details. good evening. >> reporter: good evening. leapt me walk you through the specifics or at least what specifics we have so far from this boehner counter offer and you can see where it falls short from the white house's perspective right in the top line take a look at the details here. boehner and the other house republicans are asking for $800 billion in new tax reform revenue. that's short of the $1.6 trillion that the president would like to see there. also health savings of $600 billion. mandatory savings of $300 billion. revisions of cpa of 200 billion. other discretionary saving 300 billion. they say net savings is $2.2 trillion all told. the white house says this plan is not balanced, and interestingly there's a little side skirmish here between the speaker of the house john boehner and erskine bowls. boehner said this was based on a report that bowles laid out. bawls said no. he said the approach laid out does not represent the simpson-bowles plan or the bowles plan. in fact what b
eamon javers joins us now from washington with all the details. good evening. >> reporter: good evening. leapt me walk you through the specifics or at least what specifics we have so far from this boehner counter offer and you can see where it falls short from the white house's perspective right in the top line take a look at the details here. boehner and the other house republicans are asking for $800 billion in new tax reform revenue. that's short of the $1.6 trillion that the president...
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but we'll start in washington. the president meeting with six governors around the country to discuss the fiscal cliff. our be john harwood is live to talk about the impact of that meeting, john, and the impact of this offer that we got from the republicans yesterday. >> reporter: carl, we haven't heard from the president or the governors yet in this meeting. we did just get some remarks that gene sperling delivered in which he responds to boehner's letter calls the baoehner offer disappointing and says that an accept aps by republicans that rates have to go up is the key to unlocking a deficit reduction agreement. now that's consistent with everything that's happened at the white house since the election, essentially trying to break down republican resistance to raising top rates which is very popular with the american people. however, as i mentioned when we talked in the last hour, are the significance of the republican offer is that they have laid out and taken ownership of cuts to entitlement programs, medicare
but we'll start in washington. the president meeting with six governors around the country to discuss the fiscal cliff. our be john harwood is live to talk about the impact of that meeting, john, and the impact of this offer that we got from the republicans yesterday. >> reporter: carl, we haven't heard from the president or the governors yet in this meeting. we did just get some remarks that gene sperling delivered in which he responds to boehner's letter calls the baoehner offer...
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this is a clear attempt on the part of the republican leadership to punish those in washington who vote the way they promised their constituents they would. conservative blogger eric erickson on his blog writing on the same day john boehner, eric cantor and kevin mccarthy punished those for standing up for their convictions sold out their own convictions. erickson wasn't the only 0 group. calling it an $800 billion tax hike. the most conservative media outlets have been in boehner's camp, conservative organizations have a lot of sway with some members. bane earp does not want a full fledged rebellion. a few things to keep in mind. number one, any thought boehner didn't believe he had more control over his conference this time than he did two years ago should be set aside. cantor and mccarthy having his back. he only has to worry if somebody is high profile were somehow to challenge his standing with house republicans. that's not the case. they were in concert on this. does it mean -- send a signal to the white house that this time what boehner says and negotiates goes though it may not
this is a clear attempt on the part of the republican leadership to punish those in washington who vote the way they promised their constituents they would. conservative blogger eric erickson on his blog writing on the same day john boehner, eric cantor and kevin mccarthy punished those for standing up for their convictions sold out their own convictions. erickson wasn't the only 0 group. calling it an $800 billion tax hike. the most conservative media outlets have been in boehner's camp,...
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you have a testosterone class in washington, d.c. and nothing is happening and the rest of us in america are suffering because nothing is going on. >> in switzerland they say the folks 10 to be happier. it depend on what your choices are. i don't know how happy the people would be if our cities were full of the sex boxes. whatever that is. >> your thoughts on that? >> we just found out the 3.8% surtax will be on our investments and houses. we are not used to government being this intrusive into our lives. one of the reasons we are not happy in america is because finally we are seeing this intrusion into our lives. our daily lives of more and more and more government. you wake up in the morning. walk outside your door. you will be taxed for it any more in this country. we like the freedom to take care of ourselves. we are no longer getting that freedom at all, whether it's locally or whether it's nationally with our national government. look at california. for every 100 workers in california we are supporting 139 people who are not wo
you have a testosterone class in washington, d.c. and nothing is happening and the rest of us in america are suffering because nothing is going on. >> in switzerland they say the folks 10 to be happier. it depend on what your choices are. i don't know how happy the people would be if our cities were full of the sex boxes. whatever that is. >> your thoughts on that? >> we just found out the 3.8% surtax will be on our investments and houses. we are not used to government being...